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		<title>By: Kasper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kasper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 16:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ken,

I need to have a question answered to be sure I understand this correctly.

If you have a etherchannel trunk of 2 ports (1Gb port each) on the pSwtich and plugged the cables like this to the modules. 
One cable in enc1,bay1,x1(active).
One cable in enc1,bay2,x1(standby).

Then you&#039;re able to receive a total throughput of 2Gb inbound traffic and VC will then pass traffic to a given bay(server). But since Outbound traffic will be redirected and send through an active uplink, the total throughput would be 1Gb for Outbound traffic since you only have one active uplink (bay1,x1).

I guess I am totally wrong but I hope you can help me understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ken,</p>
<p>I need to have a question answered to be sure I understand this correctly.</p>
<p>If you have a etherchannel trunk of 2 ports (1Gb port each) on the pSwtich and plugged the cables like this to the modules.<br />
One cable in enc1,bay1,x1(active).<br />
One cable in enc1,bay2,x1(standby).</p>
<p>Then you&#8217;re able to receive a total throughput of 2Gb inbound traffic and VC will then pass traffic to a given bay(server). But since Outbound traffic will be redirected and send through an active uplink, the total throughput would be 1Gb for Outbound traffic since you only have one active uplink (bay1,x1).</p>
<p>I guess I am totally wrong but I hope you can help me understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Cline</title>
		<link>http://frankdenneman.nl/2009/04/flex-10-lessons-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-442</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Cline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 23:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Frank!

I can provide some insight here:

&lt;b&gt;What will happen if the VMkernel decides to use that nic to send IO?&lt;/b&gt;

All VC modules within the same domain should be connected via either the built-in midplane connection or via the CX4 interconnect cables. A VC domain can span up to 16 VC devices (interconnect modules), so it is possible to have multiple enclosures within a single VC domain, all sharing the same SUS.

The VMkernel can ship packets to any vmnic without worrying whether there is an uplink path - as long as one path of the SUS is available, you&#039;ll have joy.

&lt;b&gt;Is the Flexnic aware of the standby status of it “native” uplink?&lt;/b&gt;

The FlexNIC doesn&#039;t care about the status of any of the uplinks. It&#039;s the job of the Flex-10 interconnect module to direct traffic to the correct (available) uplink.

&lt;b&gt;Will it send data to the uplink of the VC module it’s connected to or will it send data to the active uplink?&lt;/b&gt;

A FlexNIC will always send data to its connected VC module. It&#039;s then up to the VC module to figure out what to do with it.

&lt;b&gt;How is this done? Will it send the IO through the midplane or CX-4 cable to the VC module with the active uplink?&lt;/b&gt;

The FlexNIC sends traffic to its hard-wired VC interconnect module. From there, it may be redirected through one (or more) additional VC interconnects to reach an available active uplink.

&lt;b&gt;And if this occurs what will be the added latency of this behavior?&lt;/b&gt;

Not 100% sure, but logic would indicate that, since the data is being passed through multiple devices, there is some additional latency, even if it is minimal.

&lt;b&gt;HP describes the standby status as blocked, what does this mean?&lt;/b&gt;

Inbound traffic (from the pSwitch) will be accepted; however, the assumption is being made that all uplinks within a SUS are part of the same LACP domain. This means that it is perfectly happy (and within its rights) to send response frames back on any uplink port within the SUS.

&lt;b&gt;Will virtual connect discard IO send to the standby IO, will it not accept IO and how will it indicate this?&lt;/b&gt;

Since the VC domain is responsible for directing traffic out an available active uplink port, the only way that I/O could be lost is if all uplinks are down. 

An additional note on Smart Link...the last project I worked on with VC (Jan 2010), HP strongly recommended that we NOT use Smart Link with ESX. Much better to let the VC fabric figure out what to do with the traffic internally rather than having ESX try to interpret upstream status.

Hope this helps, and thanks for the PingBack!
KLC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Frank!</p>
<p>I can provide some insight here:</p>
<p><b>What will happen if the VMkernel decides to use that nic to send IO?</b></p>
<p>All VC modules within the same domain should be connected via either the built-in midplane connection or via the CX4 interconnect cables. A VC domain can span up to 16 VC devices (interconnect modules), so it is possible to have multiple enclosures within a single VC domain, all sharing the same SUS.</p>
<p>The VMkernel can ship packets to any vmnic without worrying whether there is an uplink path &#8211; as long as one path of the SUS is available, you&#8217;ll have joy.</p>
<p><b>Is the Flexnic aware of the standby status of it “native” uplink?</b></p>
<p>The FlexNIC doesn&#8217;t care about the status of any of the uplinks. It&#8217;s the job of the Flex-10 interconnect module to direct traffic to the correct (available) uplink.</p>
<p><b>Will it send data to the uplink of the VC module it’s connected to or will it send data to the active uplink?</b></p>
<p>A FlexNIC will always send data to its connected VC module. It&#8217;s then up to the VC module to figure out what to do with it.</p>
<p><b>How is this done? Will it send the IO through the midplane or CX-4 cable to the VC module with the active uplink?</b></p>
<p>The FlexNIC sends traffic to its hard-wired VC interconnect module. From there, it may be redirected through one (or more) additional VC interconnects to reach an available active uplink.</p>
<p><b>And if this occurs what will be the added latency of this behavior?</b></p>
<p>Not 100% sure, but logic would indicate that, since the data is being passed through multiple devices, there is some additional latency, even if it is minimal.</p>
<p><b>HP describes the standby status as blocked, what does this mean?</b></p>
<p>Inbound traffic (from the pSwitch) will be accepted; however, the assumption is being made that all uplinks within a SUS are part of the same LACP domain. This means that it is perfectly happy (and within its rights) to send response frames back on any uplink port within the SUS.</p>
<p><b>Will virtual connect discard IO send to the standby IO, will it not accept IO and how will it indicate this?</b></p>
<p>Since the VC domain is responsible for directing traffic out an available active uplink port, the only way that I/O could be lost is if all uplinks are down. </p>
<p>An additional note on Smart Link&#8230;the last project I worked on with VC (Jan 2010), HP strongly recommended that we NOT use Smart Link with ESX. Much better to let the VC fabric figure out what to do with the traffic internally rather than having ESX try to interpret upstream status.</p>
<p>Hope this helps, and thanks for the PingBack!<br />
KLC</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Chambers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Chambers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, great post, many thanks.  I&#039;m glad I use Cisco UCS because this looks really difficult.  With UCS it really is plug and play.  Out of the box and up and running in 90 mins.  HP VC looks like a nightmare and network admins don&#039;t like it, for reasons that are obvious in this post.  Urgh!  I think VC was invented by a sadist!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, great post, many thanks.  I&#8217;m glad I use Cisco UCS because this looks really difficult.  With UCS it really is plug and play.  Out of the box and up and running in 90 mins.  HP VC looks like a nightmare and network admins don&#8217;t like it, for reasons that are obvious in this post.  Urgh!  I think VC was invented by a sadist!</p>
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		<title>By: Flex-10 lessons learned &#171; Frank Denneman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flex-10 lessons learned &#171; Frank Denneman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 09:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]    Hi I have moved this blog to the new site frankdenneman.nl. The new home for this article is: http://frankdenneman.nl/2009/04/flex-10-lessons-learned/ Apologies for the inconvenience  Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Flex10 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]    Hi I have moved this blog to the new site frankdenneman.nl. The new home for this article is: <a href="http://frankdenneman.nl/2009/04/flex-10-lessons-learned/" rel="nofollow">http://frankdenneman.nl/2009/04/flex-10-lessons-learned/</a> Apologies for the inconvenience  Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Flex10 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Casson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Casson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have the FC Flex10 VCs, but cannot get them to work at all.  They are connected to 1GB ports on a Cisco 3560E switch.  No link light.  We cannot find any documentation on the Flex10 and HP support hardly knows anything about them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have the FC Flex10 VCs, but cannot get them to work at all.  They are connected to 1GB ports on a Cisco 3560E switch.  No link light.  We cannot find any documentation on the Flex10 and HP support hardly knows anything about them.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well you can have active/passive without any trouble as long the 2 virtual connect are put on the same line on C3000 or C7000. In fact each virtual connect on the same line are linked together by the C7000 or C3000 internal switch.

This means that if the packet is sent to the passive one, it will just go through the internal switch of the C7000/C3000 to the active virtual connect (the one that has the active uplink).

So esx can either loabalance on all the physical interfaces configured for the vmkernel or virtual switch, all packets will go finaly to the active uplink without any trouble.

When your vitual connect switches are not on the same line, then you have dedicated 10 Gb links from HP  that can be purchased to chain them and have the same result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well you can have active/passive without any trouble as long the 2 virtual connect are put on the same line on C3000 or C7000. In fact each virtual connect on the same line are linked together by the C7000 or C3000 internal switch.</p>
<p>This means that if the packet is sent to the passive one, it will just go through the internal switch of the C7000/C3000 to the active virtual connect (the one that has the active uplink).</p>
<p>So esx can either loabalance on all the physical interfaces configured for the vmkernel or virtual switch, all packets will go finaly to the active uplink without any trouble.</p>
<p>When your vitual connect switches are not on the same line, then you have dedicated 10 Gb links from HP  that can be purchased to chain them and have the same result.</p>
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		<title>By: The Return of Virtualization Short Takes - blog.scottlowe.org - The weblog of an IT pro specializing in virtualization, storage, and servers</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Return of Virtualization Short Takes - blog.scottlowe.org - The weblog of an IT pro specializing in virtualization, storage, and servers</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] how to incorporate HP Virtual Connect Flex-10 into your VMware environment, Frank Denneman has some thoughts to share. I&#8217;ve been told by HP that I have some equipment en route with which I can do some additional [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] how to incorporate HP Virtual Connect Flex-10 into your VMware environment, Frank Denneman has some thoughts to share. I&#8217;ve been told by HP that I have some equipment en route with which I can do some additional [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fatih</title>
		<link>http://frankdenneman.nl/2009/04/flex-10-lessons-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-53</link>
		<dc:creator>Fatih</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 21:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not really sure , I have no experience yet , but I have read through the cookbook and as I understand if you use the &quot;smartlink&quot; feature in VC it will disconnect the flexnics when the vc uplink goes down. If it already is in a &quot;blocked&quot; state , wont the flexnics already be disconnected then ?
Or if it is not disconnected I am thinking of the &quot;Beacon Probe&quot; setting in the vSwitch ? If you enable the &quot;Beacon Probe&quot; setting in the vSwitch it sounds to me that it will correctly understand which flexnic to use...? Anyone with experience on this ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not really sure , I have no experience yet , but I have read through the cookbook and as I understand if you use the &#8220;smartlink&#8221; feature in VC it will disconnect the flexnics when the vc uplink goes down. If it already is in a &#8220;blocked&#8221; state , wont the flexnics already be disconnected then ?<br />
Or if it is not disconnected I am thinking of the &#8220;Beacon Probe&#8221; setting in the vSwitch ? If you enable the &#8220;Beacon Probe&#8221; setting in the vSwitch it sounds to me that it will correctly understand which flexnic to use&#8230;? Anyone with experience on this ?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Denneman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Denneman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 16:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thx I&#039;m aware of using multiple SUS&#039;s to create active active uplinks. Due to the configuration of the physical switches, multiple SUS for the use of one VLAN is not accepted by the network team.

It seems that the link sections did not appear in the orginal post. I&#039;ve added the links, including the cookbook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thx I&#8217;m aware of using multiple SUS&#8217;s to create active active uplinks. Due to the configuration of the physical switches, multiple SUS for the use of one VLAN is not accepted by the network team.</p>
<p>It seems that the link sections did not appear in the orginal post. I&#8217;ve added the links, including the cookbook.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Denneman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Denneman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 16:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thx I&#039;m aware of using multiple SUS&#039;s to create active active uplinks. Due to the configuration of the physical switches, multiple SUS for the use of one VLAN is not accepted by the network team.

It seems that the link sections did not appear in the orginal post. I&#039;ve added the links, including the cookbook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thx I&#8217;m aware of using multiple SUS&#8217;s to create active active uplinks. Due to the configuration of the physical switches, multiple SUS for the use of one VLAN is not accepted by the network team.</p>
<p>It seems that the link sections did not appear in the orginal post. I&#8217;ve added the links, including the cookbook.</p>
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